What if allies lost world war 2

As a fascist state, Italy might be permitted its new empire on a permanent basis, but Japan, after doing the dirty work of conquering China, the eastern half of the Soviet Union, southeast Asia, Australasia, and the central Pacific, would eventually be conquered in turn—though only after the destruction of the United States, the last great power free of Axis control. Weinberg discerned only the vaguest German plans for how it intended to deal with this last problem, the elimination of the United States.

As late as the autumn of , Hitler continued to see the British as his most dangerous adversary in the West, notwithstanding the fact that by then the United States was contributing not only the most manpower in the European Theater of Operations but also the most tanks, aircraft, and artillery. Indeed, by that point American military aid was propping up the war efforts of every nation fighting the Axis powers. Hitler assumed that the Japanese would obligingly remain at war with China and the United States until he could gobble up his erstwhile allies.

Yet Imperial Japan clearly understood that its partnership with Nazi Germany was temporary, especially given the virulent racism on which Nazism rested. And history is replete with reversals of alliance in the face of new circumstances. Thus, long before Nazi Germany could have realized its ultimate aim of world conquest, the rest of the world would have surely set aside their differences in the face of this obvious, massive, and implacable threat.

The result would have given the United States footholds in south and east Asia at the very least, while it is unlikely that Germany would ever have acquired the ability to project armies across the vastness of the Atlantic Ocean, much less the Pacific. Hitler gave the green light to the invasion of the USSR on 20 June , and the German invasion commenced two days later. Despite initial successes all along the front, the operation ground to a halt within months.

Instead of easily defeating the Soviets, as predicted, the Germans woke a sleeping bear that refused to be budged from either Moscow or Stalingrad.

Like a meat grinder, the war in the east consumed millions of men. On 11 December — three days after he announced the end of the winter campaign — Hitler joined Mussolini in declaring war on the United States even though the Soviet Union had not yet been defeated. He authorised Operation Citadel, an attack against the Kursk salient that was one of the last major offensives on the eastern front, and which proved to be an unmitigated disaster.

Hitler frequently ignored advice and launched major operations along the entire front began a steady push west towards Germany. By the summer of , increasingly pressed by the western Allies, German forces faced challengers in Italy, France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Germany no longer had the chance of a victorious outcome. From March , these increased the pace that German messages could be deciphered, translated into English and assessed for their military importance. Understanding Enigma traffic contributed to victory in the Battle of Britain, assessing the German threats to invade England, and was especially important during the battle of the Atlantic, on which British survival depended in — It is challenging to measure the precise value of the work done at Bletchley, where Italian and Japanese traffic was also broken.

Fundamentally, the European Axis — and Japan — lost because they were much weaker than the Allied coalition. To the Axis leaders, world resources — both overseas and in territories within Eurasia — had been divided up unfairly and without their participation, in the Treaty of Versailles and before.

There is no space to discuss Italy or the smaller Axis satellites; they too had a sense of entitlement, but could never have won without Germany. This failed: by late Hitler faced a situation where he could not invade Britain nor control more than the deep borderlands of the USSR. Because they were weak, they failed. Sign in. Back to Main menu Virtual events Masterclasses.

Eight leading military historians explore… Advertisement. By Ben Shepherd Western Allied industrial, maritime and air power were fundamental to destroying the German war machine. How were the final months of battle experienced across the continent? What did it mean for Britain to fight a war whose conclusion was so hard to predict?

Relive the moment of victory itself, told through the voices of soldiers and civilians who experienced it. On September 1st, Germany had exactly 1 commissioned aircraft carrier the Graf Zeppelin, their 1st and only one that made it to sea trials. The USS Langley commissioned in had a complement of 36 aircraft. The truly fearsome battleships and pocket battleships they had high hopes for had no chance because they had no carriers to support them nor enough escorts 21 total destroyers. They had only 7 fleet tenders and 5 auxiliaries.

Navy had 5 fleet carriers, 15 battleships, 36 cruisers, destroyers and perhaps most important auxiliaries. Three years later those numbers were 23 battleships, 25 fleet carriers, 65 escort carriers, 61 cruisers, destroyers, amphibious, and close to auxiliary ships. Like it or not the European theater was also a naval war dictated more on the premise of strategic logistics supplying war materials along with troop convoys to the UK than the tactical fleet actions of the Pacific.

The only chance Germany had was lost when all the Jewish physicists fled Germany for America. WWII was ultimately determined by who won the logistic war and Germany never had a shot. Hitler a great military General He helped India also to get rid from English rule Helped our freedom fighter Subhash Chander bose and met him also His military movement on England weekend it and leads to Indian independence. With rebels and US forces fighting from both sides, Nazi Germany would of been sandwiched and been defeated, but they would of put up a fight.

What does that phrase even mean? Most of the mass executions and deportations happened or were started before WWII, the Holodomor even before Hitler even came to power. The Soviets were always an uneasy alliance built out of necessity and a common enemy. Our lack of friendliness is apparent from the following Cold War. Yes, though, there were clear good and bad sides.

One side was fascist and imperialistic. The soviets were working with the Germans when they invaded Poland and the like get your facts right. Morgan, you are wrong…the goal of bombing was the destruction of the means of production factories, infrastructure, etc.

The Americans at least tried to do accurate bombing of strategic targets in cities…its why we bombed during the day instead of at night as the British did. America did this at great cost to bomber crews, and the British thought we were nuts to do so. Or France? Or Spain? Come on…use a little reason.

I love the British…they did a lot to bring some countries out of the stone age. But they were at least as imperialistic as Germany, if not more. The Soviet communists were bigger fascists than any nation on earth…except the Maoists of China. But again, the idea that Soviet Communism is not nationalistic is a le. I mean really, is there any show of nationalism more prominent that a Soviet May Day Parade?

Ha, ha, fair bombing? Germany was formatted. In Frankfurt, only part of the cathedral was left. All other cities the same. History is written by the victors. Britain and France started war against Germany. Russia was already invading all around Finland, Poland, Baltic states…. Have you ever asked a question why Hitler forced attack on Russia without finishing Britain?

Because entire Europe was in danger of Russian invasion. You have a lot of documents about this if you search. Allies had luck of having Hitler in charge. He maid some decisions that decided the direction of the war. Each of them was a crucial. Here are only a few of them: 1. Stop bombing RAF facilities and switching to cities — only days of additional bombing would end RAF and Britain would be left at the mercy of German forces this data is from British sources, not a fantasy. Bad policy that made hundreds of German scientists to move out into USA.

After capturing Russia, Germans would have endless resources to prepare the war against US if needed. But if Germany had won we might never have rock n roll, Hollywood movie production, British great documentaries and TV shows etc. German language is also hard to learn….

When were they ever good to the former two? Native Americans gave them the land. Jews complain about 12 years of pain. These two groups have years of nightmares. Jews were discriminated since thier inception thousands of years ago. The Africans never had a written language and had no permanent structures build until they were domesticated. The Egyptians were not Africans — they are Arabs.

The Native Americans mostly all died from the Spanish small pox, the colonist came over afterwards. Many races and nationalities were oppressed at one point or another. Stop saying stupid things like these. It gives proof that if your body is a donut, your brain in the donut hole. You go read about history and work very hard at it for a long time. Then come back to me at the big boys table once you learn something that makes your worth more of my time and less of my insults.

How can an educated person type like you do? Such childish dialogue. Come back when you learn to read. Stop making up a lie on me to distract from the fact that you are an obese idiot. You are a fat idiot because your sense has left your head and went to your belly.

The first civilizations were Egypt and Sumer, neither of which were formed by black Africans. They were most likely closely related to the modern day Arabs. Homo Sapiens have been around k years, starting in ethiopia. Earliest villages are probably in that region. Before that, we had earlier Homo species, such as Homo Erectus, astrolopithicus etc etc. Most people outside africa today have a tiny amount of neanderthal genes due to mixing.

However, ALL humans on this planet are genetically related I was talking about civilizations. Much of the rest of what you say is true, except that bonobos split off from chimps after the line that led to humans did, so it terms of relatedness they are equally related to us as chimps are. I mean, I was pretty sure slavery ended more than a hundred years ago, but hey, I guess their poor little grandchildren still have nightmares.

Grow up. The blacks, Native Americans, and Japanese still faired better in America in the s than many groups did in Germany or the Soviet Union at that time.

They are the same except for their forms of who should rule. Someone is considered a terrorist when the use of force and violence against a person or property is used to intimidate a government, the civilian population, or any segment, in furtherance of political or social objectives. And as a Hindu I can say this as my nation is completely against them. It is also state in their version of the Holy Bible. What I am attempting to address is not all are terrorists and the ones who are, do it under the misunderstanding of peace.

The biggest genocide in human history? We forget the genocide of millions of Africans during the slave trade. Can we stop arguing about whose the worst of them all? He murdered millions and millions of innocent people Holodomor alone accounts for millions deaths l, annexed several eastern European countries and murdered some more people, attempted to invade my country Finland which no doubt would have led to significant portion of the population sent to Siberia.

Stallin slew 30 million of his own people, now, then established a gulag system of concentration camps that ran for over 40 years. The worst crimes in human history were conducted during socialist and communist regimes. Get your facts right! The Soviets killed people for what were essentially pragmatic reasons. To me, that is far more heinous, even if the number is smaller.

Stalin killed due to his paranoia around him. He starved millions. Pragmatic to him I guess. Paranoid pragmatism is not a good rational, as it was for ideology, Stalins ideology. You are sick man. Get some help. And you are dead wrong…Stalin and his soviets murdered millions even before WWII started…and they did it for things as small as having an education or having a nice house. Read a book sometime, if you are able.

Murder was the very essence of Nazi Germany. Look at what happened to Native American. It makes the Holocaust look like insonmia Native Americans probably are gonna be messed up for another century. Look at African-Americans.

Slavery ended years ago and we are still messed up from it. In my opinion, worse, albeit on a smaller scale and time; look at what some Japanese did to China around World War II time.

A psychopath would be disturbed by it They get kids and used them to practice shooting and stabbing. They kill people for entertainment… They were just doing evil to a degree that questions their humanity. Nazi:Bad:killing millions for no reason and enslavement and religionist Good:saving the Islamic nations from enslavement of allies and making the Islamic nations. Slavery had been illegal in Britain for well-over a hundred years, before then.

Slavery had been banned definitively in the UK since It was still permitted in the overseas territories until later, but not Britain itself. Germany fight against Britain loosened is colonial hold on Africa. That was a positive development for Africa which hastened the independence of many African nations. That is one way to look at it. The only way is that after the British and other European abandoned Africa, there were numerous civil wars and messed up economies.

They did not plan a smooth transition, they went from different tribes piled together under countries, to independent countries with the largest tribe dominating.

Are you stupid or something? Germany liquidated and shot like over 6 million jews! The Russians took revenge on how the Nazis did there people, when the Germans first invaded Russia. Stop being stupid!

Funny you say that — Its somewhat you who are being stuped, not knowing history and shit. Like US starved a mil germans to death! With help of the british,and the only reason the british did not use gass on the german civilians was becourse the germans had done the same the other way..

Thats right nigga its time to criticize you get rekt in this world every country is murderer. You never hear Americans call these colonist evil nor give compensation to the degree Jewish people got from post-Nazi Germany.

Because the colonist won the war and wrote the history that is in your head. Try again apologist. Europe was conducting pogroms against the Jews long before the New World was discovered. Uh no…they based it on how the Turks dealt with the Armenians and Greeks. Read you history. I dont have proof but these books are thousands of years old and the number of these books is unimaginable…..

The whole thing is the secret Vatican library with more info on people in history than we will ever know. The fact that U. They are the ones that committed the worst crimes during the war. Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone??? Actually the atomic bombs that ended World War II in the Pacific probably saved more lives than they took. If the US had had to invade Japan, it would have been a blood bath. Far more Japanese are alive today because of the atomic bombs dropping and ending the war than would have been had the bombs not been dropped.

I was about to say that. The Japs thought that surrounding would kill their emperor either through suicide or death penalty. Also btw what did the Russians do to end the war with Japan? Sorry for grammar! LOL the worst crimes committed during the war was what Japan did to China.

Nanjing anyone??? Capricorn, you are a moron. Try actually thinking sometime. The fanatical Japs made it clear that they were not going to surrender without an invasion. It was estimated that an invasion would have cost the Allies a quarter million deaths, and over a million Japanese dead. Look at the death tolls of Japanese from relatively most invasions like Iwo or Saipan. Try reading a book about the war sometime before spewing Eurotrash propaganda.

Fair point, however, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a lesser evil. It is projected that fatalities would have been much higher as the Japanese at this time, and still are, to an extent, some of the most tenacious people on earth.

For example, such forms of ritual suicide are common today and socially acceptable in Japan to protect honor and standing. Also, we tried to warn them.

LeMay leaflets, anyone? However, to let it sink in, this was not morally correct, however, the alternative would likely have been a far bloodier and longer war.

However, the neat thing about humanity is that we can learn from these political mistakes. This is why fascism and totalitarianism has a bad rap to this day.

For example, how do you think the North Koreans would act when they see a place like the US, Britain or the rest of Asia. This specific country is told by the Kim family that they the Kim family are gods and that the rest of the world is even worse off than they are. Communism and Fascism yes, socialism in all forms belongs here too are the real problems, as they are are extremist systems that have to eliminate dissenters just to stay afloat.

Not to mention the disastrous effects on the economy. You must be a kid. War is evil and you must be evil to win. It is the guy that won the war. He is the one that writes history and will naturally make himself look good and the loser bad. If Hitler won, we would say he has virtue and Allied were evil. Since he lost we say Hitler is evil and Allied are good people. It is life. The Nazis were…that alone makes them the bad guys.

Germany was trying to invade them. And your argument might be that people decide whether or not someone is evil by their own opinion. If you see a child being starved to near death would you believe that the parents are evil? Yes you would because they had a responsibility to feed them and they intentionally tortured a little child by not giving them food. Nazis and Japanese could have world war 2 main mistake made by Japs is attack on pearl harbour which made to fight with united states the mistake made by Nazis is they created two way he should have completed invasion against the Britain he should not have been canceled the invasion.

This way you have the oil and you can avoid the winter which also led to the Nazi defeat. But to answer the question; Yes Germany absolutely could have won. Tell Japan to not invade America until Europe is dominated first 2.

Save the Final Solution until after the war 3. Defeat Russia with Japan 7. Bomb Japan into submission 8. Nice list. Japan does not bomb Pearl Harbor. Skip the Final Solution entirely. The British Empire is on the ropes at this time. Churchill will fail a vote of no confidence in Parliament. Britain capitulates under the new Labour leadership. Britain is nothing without the Empire.

Leave the U. There is no U. Defeat Russia with Japan!